Great Explorations
Kettle Valley Trail, British Columbia
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Valley Railway trail are posted to this site daily.
May 4, 2008
Great Exploations
Myra Canyon Opening Tour
Great Explorations
Kettle Valley Trail, British Columbia
It’s one of Canada’s most prized assets- an off-road trail that crosses
British Columbia from Castlegar to Hope, a distance of over 700 km. Incorporated
into the Trans-Canada Trail, this route has garnered attention around the world
as one of the premier trails anywhere-Outside Magazine called it one of the
top trips on the Planet. The forest fires of 2003 damaged the trestles through
Myra Canyon but they have since been re-built and are re-opening to the public
in June of this year. To celebrate, Great Explorations has planned a trip to
coincide with the formal opening and noted historian and author Dan Langford
will be riding.
June 20-26 2008
CAD$995/US$995
Click
here for more information
March 21, 2008
Trail is now open!
It has been over 4 years in the making, but we are very happy to report that
the trestles have all been completed, and it is now possible to travel over
the 12km route between Myra and Ruth trailheads. At the time of this writing,
there is still, of course, snow on the route, but that will soon be gone. The
trail will be re-surfaced once the frost has left the ground, and other finishing
touches will be underway, so it will be necessary to watch out for these activities.
Enjoy!
Myra Canyon Trestle
Restoration Society
http://www.myratrestles.com/newsandevents.php
March 16, 2008
Drew
Idabel lake
Hi, Dan! Our cabin has a web site already, it is( www.chateauchien.com)
February 21, 2008
Carol
Where to get Book?
Hi Dan - A few of us women are going to probably do Midway to Coalmont starting
June 18th. We are trying to locate your newest book. Tried at the Otter in Nelson
a few weeks ago on a ski trip, but they didn't know when it would be in. Do
you? A friend of mine is going to Nelson and Slocan Valley area next week and
I'm wondering if you know if they have been distributed to those areas yet.
Let me know. Thanks. May have more questions as time goes on.
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Trans Canada Trail Challenge 2008 Myra
Station to Penticton Trans Canada Trail Pavilion Sunday, July 6 The following is an invitation to you and members of your group to participate in this year’s Trans Canada Trail Challenge event. Trails BC, the Myra Canyon Trestle Restoration Society, the Naramata Woodwackers, and the Summerland TCT Society along with regional communities/jurisdictions are pleased to offer its 8th Trans Canada Trail Challenge. This year it will be held in conjunction with the re-opening of the Myra Canyon and the Penticton Centennial. Participants will be able to discover and explore up to 80 km of the Trans Canada Trail on the Kettle Valley Rail Trail. You can choose to cycle, walk, run, or ride your horse in this non-competitive and personally challenging event. Cyclists can choose to ride the full 80 km while walkers along with cyclists and runners can choose to do shorter sections that include the spectacular Myra Canyon with all its re-constructed trestles. In the Myra Canyon alone there are 18 trestles and two tunnels. Equestrians will be able to combine a ride with a walk or cycle in the Myra Canyon. If you haven’t already done so, go to our website: www.trailsbc.ca for more details and to register either online or by regular mail. For information about the Myra canyon and its location go to: http://www.myratrestles.com We sense that this will be a very popular event and registrations are limited. Register early to avoid disappointment. Questions or comments can be directed to: Contact: Léon Lebrun E-mail: southwest@trailsbc.ca Phone: 604-942-6768 |
March 14, 2008
Dan Langford
Re: Signs along highway 33
This web site should answer your questions.
http://www.spiritof2010trail.ca
November 30, 2007
Patti Kagawa
Princeton to Summerland or Midway
Hello, Dan It seems there may be (at least) 2 options of routes from Princeton:
a) Trans Canada Trail from Princeton to Link Lake to Osprey lake to Summerland
and then down the highway to Penticton, Oliver, and south; OR
b) the old Vancouver, Victoria and Eastern railbed from Princeton to Oroville
to Rock Creek and Midway
Do you know a contact for the conditions for cycling a fully loaded bike? The
KVR site mentioned the conditions from Summerland to Link Lake were a "nightmare".
Also, it would be nice to know about access (locked gates, etc) issues about
the trail from Princeton to Midway. If you have any current information or know
who else I could contact, that would be great, so I can try to plan. Thank you.
Regards, Patti Kagawa,
October 31, 2007
Neil Humphrey nchumphrey@yahoo.com
Kettle Valley Cycling Yahoo Group
With the permission of the Langford's, I would like to invite one and all to
a group I have started on Yahoo. I'm sure that the Langford's were beginning
to wonder where I was, as they knew of the group, I hadn't been able to give
it the time required. I now can. It is a Yahoo Group that will be dedicated
to riding "touring" trails in Western Canada. Not just the KVR. Please
stop by, add your two cents, leave some photos, reviews of where you stayed,
anything that you care to share with others.
My wife and I have not had the pleasure of the KVR as yet but are planning a
week next year for our anniversary. For selfish reasons, it would be great to
see all of those that can, contribute their knowledge and experience of this,
and other fine rides.
Here is the link.......... http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/kettlevalleyrailway
Thanks and we look forward to hearing from you!
October 27, 2007
Earl Hunt
signage
Dan, I am writing for my mother,Kaye Hunt, who lives on Whitehall Rd. in Grand
Fork. A few days ago , while heading north on Whitehall Rd. she crosses the
old railway grade or the now Rails to Trails path, narrowly missing a bicyclist,
who does not stop, and is not aware of the car,or the crossing. She has lived
at this location for the past 40 years and is very aware of the crossing. Now,
for the second time she has come close to hitting someone darting onto the road
. The first incident involved a jogger, the second a bicyclist, neither case
involved contact. However, the trauma of almost killing someone still haunts
her.
I, myself have contacted the Min. of Highways a few years ago about these crossing
. I identified the hazards of these crossings and had no positive response from
them. Nothing was ever done. Signage on the roadway for the travelling public
and signage on the grade would help make the hazard more evident to both the
motorist and grade user. Also, crossing hashmarks, would further identify the
area of the imminent hazard. Being a user of the grade myself , acute attention
can sometimes be distracted, due to the mostly uninterupted travel path, advance
signage would certainly help make the user more aware of potential hazards.
Thankyou for listening and look forward to hearing from you, sincerly, Earl
Hunt
October 16, 2007
Rob Sambrook
KVR: Rock Creek to Hope
Below are details
of our 6 day trip from Rock Creek to Hope; total distance 485 km (including
the odd detour). The focus is on trail conditions, as this was highly variable,
and small differences could be noticed on my hybrid. The trip was from September
23rd to 29th 2007 inclusive, and was cool and mostly dry, with frost overnight,
under clear skies, with rain on the penultimate day, and freezing rain over
the Coquihalla summit.
There had been a few days of rain before the 23rd, so this may have improved
the condition of some soft sections. Rob, Seamus and Ian
Day 1: Rock Creek to Lakevale (74 km)
Good hardpack surface with some fairly loose, sandy sections from Kettle Valley
Provincial Park campground to Beaverdell, plus a stretch of road around Rhone.
Good surface from Beaverdell to Lakevale Station, with the most scenic stretch
being the loop up and back down Wilkinson Creek. There is some minor washboard
within a couple of kilometers of Arlington Lakes. Nice, lakeside Forest Service
campground; no piped water.
Day 2: Lakevale (Arlington Lakes) to Chute Lake (82 km)
Steady grade and good, hardpack surface from Arlington Lakes to Hydraulic Lake,
with minor washboard either side of Hydraulic Lake. Very good, stable surface
in the region of Myra Canyon, as far as the Bellevue trestle. Poor, loose washboard
from Bellevue to Chute Lake (many motorized vehicles). The current Myra Canyon
bypass (15 km) is OK in the dry, but is mostly hard packed mud, so may be tricky
in the wet: a lot of ups and downs up to at least 6% grade, a few short, loose,
gravelly sections and one very rough descent from the logging road.
Day 3: Chute Lake to Crump
Long downhill (approx 25km) from Chute Lake to Naramata is loose in places,
with some washboard. Improves after the tunnel, and then much better from Naramata;
hard packed gravel and then asphalt in Penticton. Gradual packed sand/gravel
incline up to Summerland is a nice surface with great views of the lake. In
Summerland, the road detour around the active railway is very rollercoaster,
and rejoins the KVR trail at Faulder. For a few kilometers, the trail runs alongside
the railway. Immediately there is about 3 km of truly dreadful, newly laid loose
gravel, which provides almost no traction, followed by a small stretch of decent
hard pack, and then 5 to 6 km of very loose sand, on a fairly steep grade all
the way to Crump. This section is very hard going. Possible bypass of this section
on Hwy 40 from Faulder to Trout Creek?
Day 4: Crump to Princeton (81 km)
Good/variable surface on the ascent until just before the trail joins the road
at Thirsk Lake. The rail grade is then very loose and sandy for another 30 km
approx, improving to hard packed surface at around Erris Tunnel. The payback
is an easy descent on a firm surface, with a limited amount of loose rock, through
Jura, and all the way to Princeton.Possible detour option is Hwy 40 from Bankeir
to Jura, rejoining the trail just past the Jura gazebo. The Princeton Municipal
Campground (1.5 km West on Hwy 3) is well priced ($17), conveniently located
between the sawmill and the highway, and has showers.
Day 5: Princeton to Brodie (67 km)
Generally good, hard packed surface until Coalmont, with numerous small rockfalls
to negotiate along the Tulameen river valley. Becomes very loose and sandy from
Coalmont until just past Otter Lake, and then becomes decent hardpack and a
steady uphill grade through farmland in the river valley. The right of way becomes
nasty washboard approximately 10 km before Brookmere, improving to hard packed
narrow cart tracks on the descent from Brookmere to Brodie. Finally, some short
(<50m) but rough bypass trails need to be negotiated to reach Brodie station,
and the backcountry campground between the Coquihalla Highway and the river.
Day 6: Brodie to Hope (85 km approx)
Good surface for approx 6 km on a logging road until the first washout. Note:
the designated bypass trail around the KVR washout is also washed out now, and
is loose, dangerous and almost impassable (may well be completely gone by Spring
2008). The lower bypass looked easier, but is on loose material close to the
river. The second trail washout on this stretch (800 m further on) is passable
on sandy scree below the original trail, but this is also loose, unstable material.
Joined the Coquihalla Highway for a 20 km ascent to the Coquihalla summit, then
a steep downhill to Aurum. Picked up a 5 km section of the trail from Aurum
(accessed up a steep logging road) back to the highway. This section is a mix
of logging access roads and narrow trails. The trail was firm with some muddy
sections and rockfall and continues to the east side of the highway. We continued
down the highway to Othello road to Coquihalla Canyon Provincial Park. The trail
from Othello to Hope is well developed and firm.
General comments: This was tough on a hybrid with 700C 38 tires (Vittoria Adventure
Comfort). Though I had only one puncture in 6 days, and the tires held out well,
the traction was insufficient for soft sections. Knobbly tires are needed for
the soft sections. Water is scarce in some sections. Bring a water purifier/filter,
and keep stocked up.Much of the camping is at quite high elevation (>1100
metres). Dress warmly at night.
September 24, 2007
Bruce
Beaverdell Hotel
Dan, two weeks ago a group of 6 cyclists’ road into Beaverdell to stay at the
Beverdell Hotel. I had made reservations a couple of months prior and spoke
directly to Ty. They were to provide lodging and meals. When we arrived we were
surprised to find the Hotel closed. We spoke to some locals and they indicated
that Ty opens when he feels like it. The Tamarack Inn across the street was
full so they suggested Zacks. We stayed there and ate at the Tamarack. We heard
stories of families arriving in town late in the evening expecting to stay at
the Beverdell Hotel to find it closed. Maybe in you updates you could plug Zacks
and the Tamarack and remove the Beverdell Hotel. Just a thought. Bruce
September 16, 2007
Bruce Stevenson
Beverdell Hotel on the KVR
Our group of 9 adults traveled the KVR from Penticton to Beverdell and back,
September 9-14. Ages varied from 43 to 68
Day 1 - The route from Penticton to Chute Lake Resort is sandy and a tough grind
up the grade. Make sure you stop in at Chute Lake Resort (250-493-3535) and
have a piece of Doreen’s peach pie.
Day 2- The ride from Chute to Idabel Lake Resort was long and hard as we had
to take the by-pass around Myra Canyon. The by-pass is a combination of Forest
Service Road and a cut off. Watch for the signs, some can be missed if you are
not paying attention. The accommodations at Idabel Lake Resort (250-765-9511)
were fantastic. Note there are no services, so take your own food. We arranged
a caterer (Mary 250-765-3602) to come and cook for us on the two nights we were
there. The food was fantastic!
Day 3- We continued on to Beverdell. When we arrived we found the Beverdell
Hotel was closed. We were shocked to find out the new owner of the Beverdell
Hotel is a flake and opens when he feels like it. I had made reservations in
March and secured it with Visa. The town’s people came together and recommended
“Zacks” just around the corner from the Beverdell Hotel. We ate at the Tamarack.
The Tamarack Inn was full and did not have room for us but they were willing
to set up mattresses in the bar for us if we could not find accommodations.
Great and friendly people!
Day 4- Back to Idabel Lake Resort, back to comfort and a great meal. We went
canoeing; I wish I brought my telescoping fishing rod, as the fish were jumping.
This was a turning point for 5 of our group as they were not willing to return
to Cute Lake via the by-pass. We called Monashee Adventure Tours (1-888-762-9253)
and they picked the group of 5 and their bike. It was a rough and bumpy ride
back to Chute Lake via the van. The rest of us took the by-pass and met up with
the group at Chute Lake.
Day 5 - After another great meal and sleep we headed down to Penticton. The
trail is sandy and you have to be careful going through the soft sand. I hope
they ban all vehicle traffic on the Kettle Valley Rail Road trails. Horses,
all terrain vehicles and cars are churning up the trail. We are looking forward
to the next time when we can go over the rebuilt trestles.
September 15, 2007
Joerg
Myra-Canyon Ranch
Hi Dan, How can we point out our new bb&b on your website :
http://www.planet.eon.net/~dan/kvr.html
We are very close to KVR and MYRA CANYON.
Check our website, if you like.
Have a great weekend, Joerg
Yvonne Burgin and Joerg Eichhorn
MYRA-CANYON RANCH
· bed, bale & breakfast
· horseboarding
4675 June Springs Road
Kelowna, BC, V1W 4C8
1-250-764-9731 Cell 1-250-317-8005
info@myracanyon.com
www.myracanyon.com
September 11, 2007
Ken Walker
Merritt Subdivision
A group of 7 of us biked from Brodie to the first crossing of the Coldwater
River (about 40k from Brookmere). I was distressed at how the trail is deteriorating.
This was my 3rd trip in 5 years. The second trip there was evidence that a local
group had tried to cross the washout at 29 k ( the washout referred to in your
book). Unfortunately, the attempt had failed and the crossing over the slide
was treacherous and very difficult. I hope that the local group will continue
to try to keep the trail up. Maybe the trans Canada trail people need to help.
The kvr is a great trail and a wonderful historical trail. It needs all our
support and hopefully the federal government will support the whole kvr and
get all involved to build as good a trail the "Confederation Trail" in PEI.
That trail is in unbelievable condition but the terrain pales to the kvr. Hopefully
the Myra canyon initiative will be only a first step. Please feel free to forward
this letter to anyone who will support the kvr including the merritt area. Thanks
for reading Ken Walker
June 23
Jim LaMorte,
KVR - Penticton to Castlegar
The wife and I pedalled from Penticton to Castlegar from May 24 to May 31 2007.
Absolutely one of the best vacations we have ever enjoyed. In our “fit fifties,”
we decided to book B&Bs along the way. Our stops:
Chute Lake Chute Lake Resort, 250-493-3535, ask Gary and Doreen about their
experience with the 2003 wildfire. Great tales! Hydraulic Lake Louise Middlemiss
at Idabel Lake, louise@idabellake.com, 250-484-5490, about 10 km off the trail,
but great service, great food. Beaverdell Tamarack Lodge, 250-484-5490, where
Monique and husband Rosie can share some incredible stories. Rock Creek Grouse
Ridge B&B, 250-446-2890, Carol and Wilf at beautiful site near Johnstone Creek,
great people, great food, and you have to meet dog Nook and cat Bubba. Grand
Forks River Bend B&B, 250-442-5171, Susan on 19th Ave. Christina Lake Brio
B&B, 250-447-6393, where Joan offers a cozy cabin.
Heading east from Christina Lake, an unofficial sign at the trail kiosk said
“Trail closed, Fife to Ferron” for logging, but we went anyway and saw no trucks.
Also, some kind souls built a bypass around the washout east of Lafferty (about
19 trail kms north and east from Christina Lake). Check with the Wild Ways adventure
shop in Cristina Lake 250.447.6561, adventures@wildways.com, for the latest
news on access. We found two great places for milk shakes along the way The
Copper Eagle Deli in Greenwood, and the Great Canadian Ice Creamery in Christina
Lake. Next trip, we will also try to spend a Saturday evening in Penticton for
music night at the Dream Café (check www.thedreamcafe.ca for entertainment schedule).
We returned our bikes to Penticton by renting a one-way UHaul, but Wilf and
Carol at the Grouse Ridge B&B in Rock Creek say they will transport people or
vehicles to help KVR cyclers.
June 10, 2007
Maxine
Midway to Penticton
We just finished the KVT from Midway to Penticton and my comments are: would
start at Rock Creek instead of Midway as that 20K is mostly bumpy farmers field.
The 12K of logging road just before Beaverdell is wash board, and the detour
around the trestles was very rough for me but I am in my late 50s so other may
find it easier. 2 of us found the trail long and boring, expected a lot more
scenery. Louise at Idabel Lake is fantastic and helped us when one of our bikers
hurt her knee and needed to be driven out. We also thought Chute Lake pricey
for the accommodations especially having to leave the main building to use the
washrooms and showers.
June 6, 2007
Greg & Marietta Egan info@hitchingpostbandb.com
We are a B&B located near the rail trail
Hello, Our website is www.hitchingpostbandb.com and we are wondering if you
would be interested in promoting our little resort on this site. We really do
have a beautiful spot off the trail up in the Joe Rich valley . Our acreage
is along the north side of the Mission creek and the west side of Cardinal creek
. We have kitchenettes in both our log cottages and we have awesome camp site
settings . Our BBQ is always available to our guests . We would have to discuss
the access to our place from up on the rail trail as people would have to cross
the Mission creek or leave the trail and bike highway33 to our place which ,
from McCullough lake would be mostly downhill to Peregrine road . Otherwise
it may be an idea to place log signs along the trail from McCullough road down
into the Mission valley and over to us . Thank you for your time and look forward
to your reply . Sincerely Greg Egan
June 6, 2007
Laury Family
Oliver to Okanagan Falls
Some friends last week tried to reach Oliver from Okanagan Falls via the KVR
railbed trail ( as I did last spring) but were blocked by a landslide and severely
overgrown trail sections south of OK Falls. They returned the worse for wear
with cuts and scrapes from hidden potholes and rocks in the heavy overgrowth
and the slide area. FYI !!
June 5, 2007
Cynthia
Riding the KVR
Hi Dan I took 50 students to bicycle the KVR between Osprey Lake and Brookmere
last weekend, and was very disappointed by the soft trails. The students had
to work much harder to complete the route and worked hard for very little gain.
Two weeks before the trip, a few teachers and myself rode the same route to
check out the conditions, and, if we had more time, we would have chosen a different
route that was more enjoyable for 11-13 year olds. As we hope to plan more trips
in the future, do you know if there are other parts of the KVR that are more
enjoyable to ride? Or is this deterioration of the trail an unpleasant but common
experience? Thanks Cynthia
June 26, 2007
Dan
Re: Riding the KVR
Hi Cynthia, Dry weather and ATVs can soften up the rail bed. You may have just
hit a bad combination of the two. Hopefully something will get done about the
ATVs and that will help a lot. Rain can harden up the surface. Also those sections
of the rail bed on east facing slopes will be much firmer then the west facing
sides. My best rides have been after a prolonged period of rain. Hopefully your
next rides will be better. Dan
May 18, 2007
Myra Canyon Trestle Restoration Society http://www.myratrestles.com/newsandevents.php
Trestle Update
Three more trestles have now been completed – Trestles 11, 10 and 9 are now
complete. The contract has been let for trestles 8 and 7, to be completed late
this year Public access is permitted from the Myra parking lot trailhead through
to the first tunnel. Although the next three trestles are rebuilt, the movement
of machinery over them and the assembling of materials in the vicinity, makes
it unsafe for the public. On the Ruth side of the canyon (Little White Road),
trestle 4 is still under construction and completion is scheduled for September.
When it is complete, we can rebuild the small trestle 5 and repair the large
steel trestle 6. Public access on this side is still from the trailhead at Ruth
station to just beyond trestle 2 where the trestle 4 contractor has his gate.
We are hopeful that all the trestles will be complete by the end of 2007. It
will then be necessary to resurface the trail and to replace amenities lost
in the fire. So the target is to have the trail completely open sometime in
the spring or early summer of 2008.
May 10, 2007
Terry Malanchuk
Copper mnt spur update
Copper mountain has resumed major strip mining operations. Therefore, access
to the KVR from Wolf road or Allenby road is no longer permitted. The roads
are being monitored.
May 3, 2007
Jana
Status of trestle replacement
In the Summer of 2006 we cycled what sections we could, of the KVR (Myra Canyon,
Chute Lake areas) skirting areas that were closed for construction. We are eagerly
anticipating when we will have the opportunity to go through all the tunnels
and trestles in the Myra Canyon section and be able to do a more complete ride.
What is the progress on the trestle replacements? and is the target date still
Fall 2007 for completion of repairs?
May 3, 2007
Jeff Peterson
Nelson & Fort Sheppard Railway
Their is no access from Nelson at Elwyn Road (km 42) for the Nelson to Salmo
section. The town of Nelson is installing water mains and the trail is closed.
The trail from Elwyn to Troup is open.
April 30, 2007
Bruce Merit
Osprey Lake Retreat
Hey Dan, My name is Bruce Merit, I own and operate a B&B on the KVR at Osprey
Lake. Previously the B&B was called Osprey Lake Lodge and was kind of run down
but now it’s a real beauty and even run by a bike rider too! So just want to
make the Osprey Lake Retreat available to you and let you know about it. Please
check out my web site below and hope to hear from you if you have any questions.
Happy cycling!
Bruce Merit
Adventures ‘n’ Relaxation
www.ospreylakeretreat.ca
RR1-S10-C06
Princeton, B.C., V0X-1W0
April 30, 2007
G Bucci velobellais@hotmail.com
Cycling Kettle
Valley
Hey we are planning on coming out to cycle a portion of the trail, more specifically
the C & W trail between Catlegar and Midway, next month and we are wondering
if the trestles were affected by the fires of the last few years or not. We
may alternately try the trail between Nakusp and Slocan. We are planning a four-day
ride out and back, and would like to know which way is up- or down-hill. Any
info would be greatly appreciated!
April 18, 2007
Zack Niegum
ZACKS ROOMS and CAMPING in Beaverdell B.C.
We have 4 clean rooms with a kitchen available,plenty of camping area with clean
showers included,we also have been working on a old rustic log building to include
rooms and much more.Contact @ zack2852@hotmail.com or Ph. 1-250-484-5532
April 16, 2007
Joanne Franks joanneandklaus@uniserve.com
KVR Open?
We want to cycle the KVR from Myra Canyon (Kelowna) to Penticton in one day
- next week (middle April 2007). Is it open? Are the trestles restored? Is this
a one day trip? I bought the book and it's great, but it was printed prior to
the fire etc... Thanks...
April 12, 2007
Calvin M Doyle dabigdoyle@hotmail.com
Myra Canyon
Like a lot of people out there, I'm interested in riding the rails and I'm interested
in the progress of the Myra Canyon Trestles that were burnt in 2003. I searched
the web and found two web sites that had some updated info on the construction.
www.kelownabc.com and www.myratrestles.com Hopefully we will get some more updated
information in this area.
March 25, 2007
Ludwig Beil lbeil54534@aol.com
message for Margit-Germany 26.feb 2007 Hy
We live in Germany and made the KVR some years ago on a five week trip with
a tandem from Vancouver to Edmonton. So if you like you can give our email address
to Margit Lu
March 25, 2007
rj jayfive@shaw.ca
the trail copyright jayfive@shaw.ca
An Afternoon in Princeton
and tonight i will paint you with red ochre, ravish you wildly under the moon
their laugher gallops the length of the thousand foot tunnel they walk through,
and returns
an echo, marbled with voices of those who'd passed through before them.
they walk hand in hand, silently spending hidden gold that baths in the tulameen
lies naked on the beach revealing its wealth to strangers. graffiti greets them
with profanity as they cross the old railway bridge/ modern day pictography.
a shrine for a boy named tanner lies just off the tracks/ three photographs
two poems and an unopened bottle of bud-- he was fourteen. they watch for him
out of their eyes corners/ in the braches of pines, under the waters surface.
as they near the cliffs, shrill cries of red tailed hawks soar over distant
tribal chants
of the silmilkameen--ancient warriors with painted faces who left footprints,
cast shadows
ground stones from this place. a half eaten deer lies on the rocks, skeleton
exposed.
their hands stained red/ weighted with pieces of history, they retrace their
steps
through a tunnel that divides two rivers,
over land that whispers say the names
March 22, 2007
Catherine O'Connor Morris catherineoconnor@shaw.ca
Hybrids?
We are looking to take a short bicycle trip throught part of the Kettle Valley
and wondered if we would be ok riding Hybrids. Can someone please let us know.
We are looking to ride from Coalmont to Hope to "test" the KVR.
March 15, 2007
Joerg Eichhorn
BB&B on KVRT
Hi Dan This season we are going to open our BB&B in Kelowna, close to the Kettle
Valley Railway Trail (a short 2.5 mile downhill ride on the Little White Forestry
Road). Our property boarders Myra-Bellevue Provincial Park and is a serene location
with a gorgeous view. We will have space enough for tents as well. And after
breakfast, we can bring the guests back to the KVRT. Could this be interesting
for you guys?
It’ll be great, if you can link our website on http://www.planet.eon.net/~dan/other.html.
We are looking forward to hearing from you.
Best regards Joerg Eichhorn (Our website works only with IE; we work on a better
version)
Myra-Canyon Ranch
4675 June Springs Road
Kelowna, BC
V1W 4C8Canada
phone (250) 764-9731
cell (250) 317-1660
info@myracanyon.com
www.myracanyon.com
March 13, 2007
Bayan Gordon
KVR in 1947
Hi Dan: A year before you were born, I took the KVR in 1947 from Trail to Chiliwack
to attend summer army camp as a high school cadet. It was an overnight trip
and I was 12 years old and really didn’t see or think much about the railroad
other than we had no bunks or suitable food. Would I have gone over the Myra
Trestles, Coquihalla Pass and through the Quintet Tunnels? I’m reading your
book and think McCulloch was a terrific engineer but wonder, when everything
is said and done, whether his sacrifice was worth it. I understand he’s buried
near one of the new trestles. Having grown up in Rossland and knowing the gold
mines there and the silver mines in Nelson were finished in the early 1900s,
with Kimberly’s Sullivan Mine much later and not a part of the operation, was
the KVR really profitable? I’ve thrice travelled to Grand Forks to bike up to
the first tunnels and even Phoenix, and hope to also bike from Castlegar to
GF over the pass. All the mtn. cuts around GF are intriguing but I doubt if
the non-KVR ones are bikable. Best, Bryan Gordon.
March 6, 2007
Simone Hambly Simone.hambly@shaw.ca
Cycling KVR with a family
Hello. We are looking for a section to cycle with a 6 and 3 year old. The 6
year old is on a bike buddy with her Dad and the 3 year old is pulled in a Chariot
by me (Mom). Last year we cycled the Gulf Islands and things went great! Any
recommendations for sections to do or suggestions? I have never been to KVR
before. Thanks!
March 6, 2007
Lianne lianne_carley@yahoo.com
Myra Canyon
Hi Everyone.We're thinking of biking the Penticton to Midway section this April
or May (before the long weekend). Is it possible to do this at this time of
year? (weatherwise, snow?) and, regarding the Myra Canyon area -- on the website
it says that the 10 destroyed trestles were expected to be complete in fall
2006. Did this happen Thanks for the info
March 5, 2007
Dave Wodchis
Video Message
I've posted a couple of videos of cycling the Kettle Valley Railway on YouTube.
Here's the link: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=dwodchis and you'll find
some photos in the Canada Gallery at www.oneworldphotography.com
I hear from a person who lives in Midway that the Mile 0 museum has been partially
converted into a hostel for cyclists starting the KVR, but I haven't seen confirmation
on a website for booking.
March 4, 2007
Phyl Schepens www.delrayb-b.com
del Ray b&b
Dan, I have been on your website several times since I first discovered it.
Awesome site with so much useful information. I first started reading your site
because my grandfather worked the kvr. My mother was born in Ruth BC and raised
in Jura. Then I found that your site has been a good resource when my guests
want detailed information about cycling the kvr trail. I always refer them to
your book.
The second reason for this email is to ask if you would please add our new B&B
to your list of accommodations along the trail. The del Ray b&b is 1.5 kms north
of the junction of Hwy 97 & and Hwy 3. We are halfway ( less than a minute by
bike ) between the highway and where the old kvr rails lay beside the lake,
on 122nd Ave. Our website is www.delrayb-b.com Thank you for your time and have
a nice day. Phyl Schepens
March 3, 2007
Bruce W McLaughlin bruce597@telus.net
Steve Webb Coquihalla February 7, 2007
OK......I'm getting impatient.....any bets on when the Coquihalla will be
ride-do-able. Anyone checked it out yet?
I will assume you are refering to the KVR starting at Portia? Last year I was
up in April and the snow on the road stopped me at 12 km, I tried again a couple
of weeks later and got as far as 18km where again there was snow on the road
( 20 cm makes it impassable) although the woods were completely clear and growing.This
year with the steady snowfall I would assume that the road won't be open til
late April / early May. I find this section the most enjoyable and reasonable
road conditions , however the trail through the woods is getting a bit ragged
from traffic in spots.
March 1, 2007
Sharon
Planning a trip
Hi Dan and Sandra, I recently picked up a copy of your book (3rd edition) and
let me thank you for getting my husband and I pumped to actually do a bike trip.
We have been talking about doing one for a few years but have never been able
to commit or decide where. Your book (and therefore you guys) has helped us
make the decision. A few quick questions for you to help with our plans. Have
the trestles that were burned in the 2003 fire been repaired? To what extent?
Do you have any personal favourite spots along the Carmi Subdivision route?Favourite
time of year? Our tentative plan is Midway to Beaverdell day one Beaverdell
to McCulloch Lake day 2 to Chute lake day3 to Penticton day 4 We are in fairly
decent physical shape - do you think that this is a realistic plan? Thank you
so much for your book, your time and your wealth of knowledge. Take Care Sharon
February 26, 2007
Margit
Some questions around KVR
Hi Dan and Sandra, - I hope that I got your email right…- As the last edition
of your trailbook is already some years old, I wonder if you could answer some
of my questions related to that wonderful railtrail. I come from Germany and
me and my husband are planning to do the tour this year. We are kind of uncertain
about the question whether the quality and the surface of the track has been
further improved during the last couple of years: In your book some of the photos
really look like bad roads. As we are planning to cycle with full equipment
it won't be a problem to overcome such sections as long as they are not too
long. Could you give me some feedback on that or let me know where I can get
such updated information. Another concern is the question on how to get to the
trailhead in Castlegar. Do you know if there is any other chance to go there
- carrying our two bikes and all bags - than taking the plane? And the last
question: Of course you have no idea of who we are so it is difficult to give
a general answer: Do you think that the trail can be done by "normally" trained
people or is it really hard? On a good surface a 80 - 90 km day trip with full
baggage is not a problem for us but again we are not sure how much power the
gravel surface will cost us. I would be very thankful to get your feedback.
If there is anything else you think would be of interest for us I would appreciate
your input a lot! Many thanks in advance and very warm regards to Canada, Margit
from Frankfurt / Germany
February 12, 2007
Marlo
Summerland ATV Jamboree free-for-all August 2007
if you're planning to peacefully cycle or hike, or even ride a horse along the
KVR in August 2007, you might want to make different plans ... (8and tell the
BC gov't about it). Apparently, the local Summerland ATV Jamboree - a group
of hundreds of atv'ers plan to camp up in the rodeo grounds (near the KVR train
station) and go for it from there. The local gov't is convinced that this fuel-burning,
polluting "sport" event is a good thing for the town's economy. Guess
they haven't checked out the latest popular trends in federal gov't programs
lately. http://satv.ca/Jamboree.htm
February 7, 2007
Steve Webb
Coquihalla
OK......I'm getting impatient.....any bets on when the Coquihalla will be ride-do-able.
Anyone checked it out yet? c-swebb@telus.net Oh, and what shall we do with our
1st and 2nd editions? Steve Webb
January 27, 2007
Luker gjlucas@shaw.ca
Accommodation near Brookmere
A group of eight or nine will possibly be cycling through Brookmere this summer
and we're looking for accusation other than camping, i.e.. lodge, cabins or
B&B. If anyone has info that could help us out it would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks Luker
January 21, 2007
Danielle Gray sundrena@hotmail.com
Merritt Subdivision
Hello out there! I am looking for information from anyone who has recently cycled
the Merritt Subdivision in the past few years. I am hoping to travel from Brookmere
to Merritt and from Merritt to Spences Bridge in August 2007. I am curious to
know about getting permission from the various bands to cross the reserves along
the Coldwater and Nicola Rivers- what it entails, how far ahead I should enquire
and so on. I travelled from Princeton to Hope in 2004 and from Rock Creek to
Penticton in 2005 and this past summer we cycled from Summerland to Coalmont--really
enjoying trail use and greatly appreciate your website and guidebook! Thank
you very much, looking forward to hearing from anyone Danielle
January 9, 2007
Danielle Gray sundrena@hotmail.com
Merritt Subdivision -NK&S
Hello! Has anyone done the Merrit Subdivision lately? We did the Princeton-Hope
a few years ago, and the downhill from Brookmere was great! I am curious about
detouring the washout and getting permission to travese the Coldwater IR. We
are hoping to go from Brookmere to Merritt and then down to Spence's Bridge
on the NK&S. Anyone out there tried these routes lately? Anyone get permission
from the various bands on crossing their right of way? If so, how far in advance
should I arrange? I appreciate any info. Hoping to be on the trails this August.
Thank you!
January 3, 2007
Chris Babcock babber24@hotmail.com
Duration of trip
Happy New Year. My brother and I are planning to do a bike trip from Hope to
Castlegar on the KVR. I've bought the book and we're getting prepared. However,
I would like to ask anyone who has done this...how long did it take or how much
time would you allot to do this trip? Thank you. Chris Babcock
December 10, 2006
Bruce W McLaughlin
Arrrrrg
Thanks Brian for updating the railtrail conditions. I really wish the government
would be able to crack down on all those stupid quads and dirtbike riders. There
are some sane ones out there who do not tear everything up but alas few and
far between.
I noticed in another post that there is a significant amount of wrist and bottom
pain in riding the railtrail. I ride a Lightfoot Ranger Recumbent off pavement
and am happy to say that I will never have a upright bike again as the comfort
issues are phenomenal. At the end of a long day the only part of my anatomy
that has any pain is my thigh muscles and that is becomeing a non issue as I
strengthen them. You might consider a recumbent bike over a dual suspension
like I had before. It's worth the try.
Looking forward to cycling the KVR in 2007, as well as the Kootenay railtrails.
Have a great season.
December 10, 2006
Mike and Sandra
Otter Sleep Inn in Tulameen
Hello Dan, We own the Otter Sleep Inn in Tulameen. Our Web site is www.ottersleepinn.netfirms.com
We have a modern 6 unit motel located in the heart of Tulameen. " Comfort in
the heart of Tulameen!". We love cyclists staying at our facility which is only
about 150 meters west of the KVR. Hope you can include us in your book. Regards,
Mike and Sandra
November 6, 2007
Bryan (Ladysmith)
Kettle Valley Railway
Dan,
I rode the sections from the Kettle River campsite, to Beaverdell, to McCullough
Lake to Penticton, then halfway down to OK Falls (late August).
My impressions were not entirely favourable; in fact, I would not recommend
the trip. The long straight sections to Beaverdale, were hard going over the
wash board; I had to miss a larger section closed by a local farmer, just outside
the Campsite. The best section was the bed from Beaverdell to McCullough Lake,
with a taste of meeting speeding Quads; I heard them comming, but they never
saw me. I stayed at Idadell Lake, and at the end of a hot day, the ride uphill
for 2 km, passed by a speeding logging truck, was not pleasant. I payed a small
fortune for B&B in Idadell. The Myra Canyon is a desolate place, but the detour
was just plain ugly. The route to Chute lake was not particularly nice, with
a lot of car traffic before Chute Lake. Chute Lake was great, except for motorbike
roaring up and down from the Government campsite. The ride down to Pentiction
was the worst part of the trip. First, the trail was damaged by ill-informed
repairs with sand, then the trail was broken up from Quad and motorcycle traffic;
I was passed by over a dozen motorbikes and 4 quads. In Penticton, I had a helluva
time finding the trail to the Old Train Station (what a disappointment, and
missed opportunity). Fortunately, friendly local people helped me to find the
trail to OK Falls. This was a good trail, and then a geneous pair loaded me
and my heavy cycle up to the campsite on the Highway where I met my wife and
friend.
It was a challenge, perhaps because of the heat, but the trail is being ruined
by motorized traffic. The trip could be made more enjoyable with some information
at the Historic site, without detracting from the wild part. Bryan (Ladysmith)
November 4, 2007
Steve Webb, c-swebb@telus.net
Cycling
Hi All, hoping everyone has had a wonderful riding season.....perhaps there's
still someone out in that first-fallen snow tryin' to fix a tire and make it
to the Blue Moose before closing time?...I hope.
I am feeling very thankful for all the good riding this year.....best ride ever
in the Kootenays. If you haven't done the railtrails there yet......put 'em
on your 'to ride' list. There's more than just riding.....there's borsht!
Thanks for all the good information, experiences and trail conditions.....it
would not be as enjoyable without everyone staying in touch on this site.
If you are in the vicinity of Merritt, check out the XC trails at Kane Valley,
just east of Merritt, very ride-worthy. Lac le Jeune as well as Lac du Bois
Grasslands are a good, undulating variation from our beloved Kettle.....something
to help rid us of 'washboard butt'!
I'm looking forward to the Myra being whole again, perhaps next season? If so,
it will likely be gridlock.....but of a welcome form.....everyone ooooing and
ahhhing from the repaired trestles......so busy they'll be opening a Best Western
at Chute (sorry!).
Anyhoos, get those spokes an' hubs fixed.....rest the wrists and buns.....let's
see how the Mother Nature changes things over the winter.....explore some more
next spring?
P.S. Any stories????? stories are good!
October 28, 2006
Alex Galitzine. therussian@shaw.ca
Re: Coq toll booth to Tulameen
Crissy, Yes, there is the KVR trail to Tulameen and beyond.Although I haven't
travelled it yet, I look forrward to it in Septmeber 2007! I think you will
find all of your questions and answers in a book called "Cycling the Kettle
Valley Railway" (third edition) by Dan & Sandra Langford. Along will the site
you've posted your message too as you may have noticed. Good Luck,Alex
October 18, 2006
Ty & Tasha
Beaver dell Hotel
Hi Dan;
Our new web site is now up and running. www.beaverdellhotel.ca
Is there a chance that you can update the info on your web page to show the
changes ?
Your web page for the carmi subdivision; link to the beaverdell hotel not working.
Eugene's no longer here. Beaver Creek Services & bakery/deli no longer here.
new business is beaverdell gas, bakery & deli closes at 7:00pm
Links page accommodations on the web can you add us please ?
www.beaverdellhotel.ca
Many thanks
Ty & Tasha
Beaverdell Hotel
October 6, 2006
Crissy
Coq toll booth to Tulameen
Is it possible to get from the coq toll booth to Tulameen via gravel roads,
logging trails etc? If so - anyone mind giving me directions? Crissy :)
October 5, 2006
Louise Middlemiss
New changes for 2007 Web site
Hi Dan... Can you please make these changes (In bold Black below) for the new
2007 cycling season coming up. Thank you. Louise
118.1 Okanagan Falls Forest Service Road ---Turn left, 4 km. to Raven's Inn
B&B for Cyclists only ----------- # 32 Paradise Rd. Idabel Lake.. 1-250-765-0228
email: louise@idabellake.com
121.8 McCulloch Lake Resort
Since the fires in Myra Canyon McCulloch Lake Resort has undergone ownership
changes and hopes to be operating later in 2007 or 2008. Camping is available
at Hydraulic Lake Forestry Campground ( km 121.4)
Address: 9995 McCulloch Road, Kelowna, B.C. V1P 1K3 Contact Louise Middlemiss
for info.....email: louise@idabellake.com or call 1-250-765-0228
Plus, in Beaverdell the "Tamarack" has a new phone number. Can you also
make that change for Monique and Rosy, owners.
68.1 Beaverdell Tamarack Lodge 250-484-5490 - Food and Lodging
October 2, 2006
Mike and Sandra www.ottersleeping.netferms.com
Otter Sleep Inn
Hello Dan, We own the Otter Sleep Inn Motel in Tulameen. "Comfort in the heart
of Tulameen!" We love cyclists staying at our motel. We have 6 units. Our website
with all details is www.ottersleepinn.netfirms.com We are located only 150 meters
west of the KVR in Tulameen. Hope you can include us in your book
Regards, Mike and Sandra
September 26, 2006
Glen S Boulier
Sasquatch
Hello Dan-
Spoke with you quite a while back on the Princeton-Coalmont area, and the possibility
of Sasquatch involvement along that section. Through research thus far, including
our encounters involving the creature at Princeton in 1974 & 1985 - it seems
the species has been in the region for over 125 years. Susan Allison and First
Nation's People spoke of the 'Big Men Of The Mountains.' I'm finding, that the
creature may have used the track bed between Coalmont and Princeton to further
it's goals. With the amount of perishable goods transported along the route,
the animal may have picked up the odd meal through leaking or damaged railcars.
(Possibly other areas as well.) But, at the moment, I'm focusing on travel,
as the creature was also seen over a 5 week period near Coalmont in 1986. The
species has been seen in the region as late as 2003 - near the Red Bluffs...along
Tulameen Road - coming up from below the roadway. Through this research also,
I am finding, that the creature was visiting the Princeton area for the gardens
that are there - also the deer kills in the Fall. Is it possible to leave a
little note under (posting) - if any bike rider or visitor has witnessed the
animal, or encountered anything that may relate to the Sasquatch - strange activity...this
type of thing, in the Princeton, Copper Mountain, Coalmont, Tulameen, Coquihalla
areas? It would be greatly appreciated. And again, thanks for all your hard
work with your work on the trails and such. It is 'okay' that my e-mail address
is posted, and anyone contact me.
Sincerely- Glen S Boulier Glen.boulier@shaw.ca
October 5, 2006
September 22, 2006
Steve Webb
Re: Sasquatch
Hi All......finally...a refreshing change of topic on the website.....!! I'm
thinking that these Sasquatch sightings over the years could possibly correlate
with the times that 'Backroads Jim' (from the Bikeshop of course), has been
out ridin' the Kettle with his shirt off? Steve Webb c-swebb@telus.net
Nick Pearson
KVR scout trip on the labour day weekend
On the 2006 September Labour Day weekend three Rovers , one Venturer and two Advisors,
of the 18th Seymour North Vancouver, cycled along the Princeton line Kettle Valley
Railway (KVR), from Penticton to Brookemere, which is 30km South of Merritt, for
a trip of 175km. They set out at 2.00pm on Friday afternoon heading along the
only working part of the railway and reached Summerland by 6pm, where they had
a quick break. Traveling for another 2 hours in grueling sand/gravel they reached
Trout Creek Forestry camp site, some 42km from our original point, where they
camped for the night. Saturday morning and there were some very tired bodies which
rose in the morning to breakfast and the next leg of our journey, 68km to Princeton.
Already the temperature was starting to rise to the mid 20’ Celsius. They out
on a steady incline of about 2 degrees; the trail had a washboard effect, either
from the old rail bed or the ATV’s. (Generally the ATV drivers were courteous
but the dirt bike riders were down right rude and dangerous) After riding for
4 hours we stopped for lunch. Everyone thought this was the end of our trip; the
legs had gone and we were exhausted. But after Scouter George had given us a great
lunch of hotdogs and fresh water and fruit, we climbed back into the saddle. The
legs were stiff but nothing compared to our butts. There was a steady climb up
to our first tunnel about 20km North West of Princeton After which there was a
beautiful down hill ride, through farming fields and rolling hills into town along
the Similkameen river . We camped at the Princeton Castle Resort and Camp Grounds,
where everyone made us welcome. Having traveled 96km in a day and a half we were
ready for the hot showers, really nice washrooms and pizza for dinner. The next
day we were totally refreshed for our final leg of the trip. After a short ride
through Princeton we went through our second tunnel which is 300ft long. Heading
up through the Tulameen Valley It was really hard work going uphill for about
30km on the washboard trail. But after saying all that the, trail was one beautiful
vista after another, of valleys, canyons lakes and wildlife, the Tulameen valley
is really one of the least know treasures of British Columbia. We rest for a small
break in the very quaint hamlet of Coalmont with it’s heritage hotel and quirky
road signs, We then headed for the town of Tulameen, which has the most beautiful
beach on he Lake Tulameen, Scouter George laid on a great lunch of local corn
on the cob and melon. Having past Tulameen Lake, Osprey Lake, and Otter Lake,
heading for Brookemere the last 20 km was grueling up hill climb. By this time
the smoke from the Tatoosh forest fire was beginning to become a factor, with
ash falling all around. The end came when the water tower and caboose from the
old KVR of Brookemere came in sight. We could not believe we had actually did
it, 175km in 2 ½ days. I’m very proud of the boys, especially Johnny, our 14 year
old Venturer. Well done guys!
Scouter Nick Pearson
18th Seymour Venturer/ Rover Advisor
September 5, 2006
Calvin Allen
Carmi Station to Penticton
We just completed this section and had a great time. The trail is great from the
Carmi side until you get to the bypass trail at Myra Canyon. We were glad we did
the bypass trail from the Carmi side as the trail is very steep coming from the
Chute Lake side. The bypass would be OK if you were not loaded with camping gear.
The trail between Chute lake and Penticton was soft but we made great time with
the down hill grade.
August 31,2006
Bruce Bermel bbermel@cyberlink.bc.ca
Slide update between Christina Lake and Paulson summit
I rode up to the slide from Christina Lake this last weekend to check out the
slide. I was pleasantly surprised to find that the slide is now very passable
thanks to one of the Rotary clubs from Castlegar. They built a wonderful bypass
trail around the slide, complete with cribbing and hand rails. It is easily wide
enough to take a loaded bike through, but not wide enough for an ATV. The daring
aggressive rider may even be able to ride this section, although there is some
up and down. It only takes about ten minutes to travel through this bypass.
Thanks again to the Rotary club from Castlegar.
Bruce Bermel
August 28, 2006
Bernice
Trail update, Beaverdell to Coalmont
Thank you so much for all your info.We
just got back yesterday and had an incredible ride.
As you suggested the bypass was a beautiful ride...we loved it!!
I am 62 and my husband is 64 ....the other couple slightly younger and we were
feeling a little apprehensive but your email reassured us....we did it in two
hours exactly and thought it was great! It is very unfortunate that the rumours
are abound that it is so difficult...
‘Doreen at Chute Lake said people have asked her to “warn” people
about it and tell them not to go as it is so difficult??
Anyway we had an awesome five days...ended in Coalmont and used Tullameen Adventure
Tours (Neil) to get back to Kelowna...he was great and I would certainly recommend
him...$50 each....but nice van and bike trailer...he was waiting for us in Coalmont
and it was all very slick...Well worth it.
We stayed at Jellicoe Station at Chain Lake...what great hosts...les and Darlene...picked
us up at bankier Store....he is off trail by two or three kms..straight up hill
but what an interesting place...would definitely recommend it..
We did this ride about 8 years ago but it was great to do it again...There was
four of us the first three days and then another couple joined us for the last
two days.
We were disappointed that the Naramata, Penticton and even Summerland have really
dropped the ball on some trail maintenance and signage...where the trail is
closed before Bankier...there was no info and the had to keep looking for the
trail and referring to the book which is fine but really after all this time
there should be trans Canada trail or KVR signs...
Princeton has done a fantastic job with the signage and gazebos, etc...
Why are these other communities getting organized about it...I can’t think
it is money as not a lot is needed...just a small amount and some volunteers
and some organization.
I would like to do an email to some of these communities and wonder if you have
any suggestions as where to best direct my commnts?
I think this is a missed opportunity for some of these communites ...there is
so much that could be done to increase ridership of the KVR..
Anyway thank you for all the info...we appreciated it.
Really was a wonderful ride..
Bernice
August 28, 2006
Calvin Allen callen@mail.ocis.net
Joel's view point in myra canyon
Does anyone have the GPS data points for Joels lookout? How close is it to the
KVR rail bed. Can a person hike to the view point from the rail bed?
August 25, 2006
Sally Burk sjburky@alaska.net
Smoke as of August 25,2006
I am planning to bike on the Kettle Valley Trail the first two weeks in September.
Is the smoke from state of Washington still affecting the area(Castlegar to
Penticton) and is it expected to continue into September? Thanks for any information.
August 11, 2006
Steve Webb c-swebb@telus.net
Kootenays
Thanks to all for the good riding info this year so far! I will be riding the
Koots railtrails next week (20th...), seeking any recent ride adventure stories
and info regarding this area (useful or not)....places to camp, BnB's that are
convenient to the trails of the Kootenays....best bowl of borsht......best bakeries.....best
coffee..... .......otherwise, if I don't get any replies....it's up to your
book Dan 'n Sandra! Steve
August 9, 2006
Alexander
Used Bob Trailer
Hi Dan, I'm looking for some help in finding a web site directed to the sale
of used equipment.My key focus is on a used Bob trailer with a shock on it.If
you have any suggestions related to his request it would be greatly appreicated!I
thought perhaps there would be link site from the TCT web site regarding cycling
items for sale. i.e. Mountian equipment co-op has.
My plan is to ride the KVR from Kelowna to Victoria during the first week of
September 2007. The route between Abbottsford and Victiora will be via Zero
Ave, hwy 99, Ladner truck rd etc.Shorter I thing!
Alexander Galitzine
August 04, 2006
Marlo
Myra detour; Ruth to Penticton; Summerland; Faulder to Bankier
we have ridden various parts of the KVR in the last few weeks, and here is some
info ...
it certainly is true that the rider numbers along this part of the KVR are WAY
DOWN. But, except for a few KM around Myra, it's still the same KVR. I suppose
the media hype has kept people away. I wouldn't change plans to come here at
all.
1. the infamous Myra detour. Well, I did it. I was worried that I would not
make it, but now I realize that the media is making it worse than it seems.
Yes, you'll hurt. Yes, you'll be swearing at your idea (at this point, you'll
blame anyone!) to take this bypass. Then you'll feel so great that you did it!
(plus, you have earned lots of extra treat calories, a bonus) Sure, you hear
bad things, but really, it's incredibly interesting, with great distant views
of the Myra Canyon and the trestle rebuild project, lots of nature (amazing
how fast it recovers from fire). The bypass is very well marked. Watch for small
yellow signs. Watch for other traffic, esp on weekends when the ATVs are out
and about. Wave at everyone. I would be less inclined to take a bike trailer
or heavily loaded bike over this route, but even then, it means you'll have
to walk a bit maybe. Parts of the trail are soft, some parts are rutted, but
that's no different than the condition of trail from Chute Lake down to Hillside
Winery (near Penticton). Don't let this bypass stop your trip along the KVR.
(PS - very little shaded sections. It can be very hot at mid-day in mid-summer.
Make it an early jaunt.)
Here's a hint for westbound riders - once you reach the top of the blocked-off
no-vehicles section of the trail that climbs out of Pooley Creek (narrow bridge
with orange markers on it) -- then it's basically a downhill ride to Ruth from
there. Whew.
2. the trestles -- see www.myratrestles.com
for photos and updates re: construction. Wow, what a project. It's very stirring
to see the construction crews, the work going in to these landmark trestles.
They look as authentic as can be. Coastal douglas fir timbers, etc. Fantastic.
One can ride over 6-7 trestles from the east end, and 2-3 from the west end.
3. trail from Ruth (west end of Myra Canyon) to Chute Lake is in very good condition.
tHe big muddy puddles have dried up. Bellevue trestle is spectacular. Fireweed
for miles. surface is in pretty good shape. I was impressed. The historically
authentic Carmi Subdivision mile markers start at Mile 103, which is approx
3.4 miles east of Chute Lake resort.
4. Chute Lake "resort" - Mile 106.6 on the Carmi Sub - well, as many
of you know, it's certainly unique, and it's got character, as they say in real
estate adverts. The pie is not-to-be-missed, the service is back-country. On
the weekends it's popular with the local noisy ATV/dirt bike crowd, so be forewarned.
if you spend a couple of days here, take a mountain bike ride up to Elenor and
Naramata Lakes. Watch for off-road vehicles on the wkds.
there's an active osprey nest across the lake from the lodge.
5. Chute Lake (approx Mile 106.6 on the Carmi Sub) down to Hillside Winery near
Penticton -- well, this part of the grade has to be the roughest, bumpiest part
of the grade between Myra and Bankeir. I don't know what the local parks department
is thinking, esp if this is a major tourist attraction. However, it is very
scenic once you get to Adra bypass. Again, this is a popular stretch of trail
for unlicensed, uninsured off-road vehicles, so ride/hike defensively, esp on
weekends and at dusk. It seems that the local Naramata parks dep't says it's
ok for them to be on the trail and basically do what they want. Be warned. The
popular photo spot is "little tunnel" which is approx Mile 122 on
the Carmi Sub. It's also the local rowdy spot for parties, so watch for broken
glass, garbage, and partied-out campers sleeping all over the place. Nice welcome!
Mile 112 is the cattle guard and the top of Eleanor forest road. You can shave
off 4 miles by scooting down this bumpy shortcut. Come out at approx Mile 116,
but you'll miss the Adra tunnel.
The tote road shortcut (Mile 116 approx to Mile 122) is very interesting, but
suited mainly for experienced single track riders. No trailers or paniers. You'll
miss the Little Tunnel if you go on this trail.
Bump bump bump and soft sandy spots. It's a killer.
6. Then, at Hillside Winery, you'll cross Naramata Road - watch out, most drivers
are speeding and are not looking for cyclists at this crosswalk. The better
news is that the wonderful City of Penticton has nicely maintained their part
of the trail really well (a milennium project) Finally, your neck and shoulders
(and backside) get a break.
In Penticton, the trail is a confusing mishmash, but you should be able to get
across to the west side of town by intuition, if nothing else.
If you have time, go and ride around Skaha Lake (28 km total). Start anywhere.
Follow the East Side Road (on the east side). On the west side of lake, get
on the abandoned rail grade. It's very pretty. You'll cross a 300-foot low trestle
(with deck and railings) over the lake. Somebody needs to maintain this trail
better tho. The weeds etc have basically turned it into single track. Not much
room for paniers or trailer. On the East Side, stop at Matheson Farm straw bale-construction
farm market. Excellent produce. Good ice cream. Another popular attraction is
Tickleberries ice cream in Okanagan Falls. Ask anyone for directions - it's
just south of town on busy Hwy 97. careful if you have young riders with you.
7. Now, the trail from Penticton up to Trout Creek Trestle is controversial,
as the local First Nations claim it as their land. However, you can ride, but
it's loose gravel. Again, not much shade. Trout Creek Trestle is spectacular,
and safe (railings, and decking). Remember, you can't go on that trestle when
the tourist steam train is there. Check their website for schedule.
West of the trestle, you'll have to follow backroads to get to the Trans Canada
Trail again. If you get totally lost, go in to downtown Summerland, and follow
the signs to the Kettle Valley steam train station in Prairie Valley. Grunt
up the last hill (view the lovely town dump!) and there you are, at the TC Trail
again.
This new section along Trout Creek is very pretty. It's currently soft and sandy,
but should pack down over the winter, hopefully.
8. At Faulder, you'll be able to ride on the actual railroad bed again, as you
head west toward Princeton. Very nice route thru' canyon, over the new bridges.
As you approach Bankier, watch for detours (there is a bridge missing). During
the last big rains in Jly, there were some rock/mud slides covering the grade,
but all cleared up now. Check ahead before you head west.
the trail surface is surprisingly good. Way better than the Naramata side, that's
for sure.
The highlight up in Bankier is the newly renovated restaurant, general store,
and cabins. Fantastic. Judy is a great short order cook. We loved her meal (incl
pie). The washrooms are sparkling clean, there are showers, there is laundry,
a big picnic ground, and even shuttle service by prior arrangements. They are
hoping to get a liquor license. (nb - at the time we were there, they don't
take credit cards - you have to pay cash, or get cash out of the ATM in the
store. I don't understand why they don't take CC, but be prepared)
That's as far as we rode before heading home. More plans later. Bon Voyage!
August 4, 2006
Trestle?
Lois
Just a question about the Nakusp and Slocan Railway route. We cycled from Summit
Lake towards Nakusp hoping to find the trestle at 45.4 km near Box Lake. Didn't
find it. Has it been changed? Otherwise we enjoyed the cable car at Three Forks
and the rest of the trails in the area. Happy trails Lois
August 2, 2006
Bernice Willoughby
Beaverdell to Coalmont?
We are doing beaverdel to coalmont on august 21st. Any info re the detours for
the trestles...easy, difficult, are they posted or hard to find? Please email
me at bernicewilloughby@shaw.ca Any other info would be appreciated. Bernice
Willoughby
July 31, 2006
Sylvia School, sylviauwe@gmx.net,
Accommodation Rock Creek / Beaverdell Message
We just finished our cycling tour from Midway to Penticton with our two boys
(10 and 13 years). It was a great adverture! Thanks to the book we had no trouble
finding our way. In Rock Creek we found a nice new B&B, called Riverside Ranch
Bed and Breakfast. It is located just beside the fairgrounds on the trail. The
owner is Lisa Broughton and her e-mail is lisandthehoundogs@yahoo.com.
The Beaverdell Hotel has a new website: www.beaverdellhotel.ca and a new e-mail:
BeaverdellHotel@telus.net - we had a great stay there,too! --
July 30, 2006
Dick Johnson dickjohnson@shaw.ca
KVR trip 1st week September
I was planning a bike trip with my adult daughter for the 1st week in September.
I would like it to be a 3 day ride. I have ridden parts of the trail the last
2 years and like to keep my rides to about 50 km. minimum up to around 90 km.
a day. I was thinking of Rock Creek to Castlegar which I did last year. I was
curious about the washout near Lafferty, I am not too keen on trying to carry
my bike around it, is there an alternate route to circumvent this wash-out?
Alternately I was considering riding from Rock Creek or Beaverdell to Penticton.
Are any of the trestles re-built, or do you need to use the bypass routes suggested
on the website? Is it possible to do this trip(Beaverdell to Penticton) without
camping? That is, is there accommodation in hotels, motels, B&B’s at reasonable
intervals?
July 29, 2006
Ty & Tasha
Beaverdell Hotel
Hi Dan; Just touching base to let you know that Tasha and I are know the new
owners of the Beaverdell Hotel as of May 2005
This is our e-mail address and our web address can be found at www.beaverdellhotel.ca
Many Thanks Ty & Tasha
July 24, 2006
Hugh Walker
Accommadations Brookmere Area?
Hi My wife and i have done part of the KVR a couple of years ago,started at
Beaverdall and got as far as Coalmont before having to call it a day because
of fires we would like to do the Coalmont,Brookemere,Hope section this summer
can anyone help with the following info. Is there any accomadations other than
camping in the Brookemere area ?? Has anyone stayed at the Coquahala Lakes Lodge
and do you have any comments?? I understand the Brookemere-Hope section is open
for bikes is this correct ?? Is Roxy'b&b still in business ???if not what accommadation
is available in Bankier?? Thanks for your help
Hughie Walker
Whistler
July 20, 2003
Dave Keen
Myra to Penticton
Just finished Myra to Penticton over two days - July 14 and 15. 7 of us
with 3 kids 13 and under. Everything was fantastic and we all had a great ride.
Shuttled from Kelowna with "Trailhead Ed" from Monashee Adventure Tours (he
is a great tour guide on the way as well) and visited Myra and then rode through
to Chute Lake. Great burgers and pie at Chute Lake and lots of room. Everyone
saying how the fire has affected business along the way, even though the ride
is still excellent. Had a great night at Chute Lake and an amazing downhill
run to Penticton through Naramatta via the Hillside Winery (just like the guidebook
says). Our two boys (11) both said it was the best lunch of their lives! Try
the Muscat Ottenel, its amazing as well. Ed picked us up in Penticton and shuttled
us back to Kelowna and our cars. Only saw about 5 through cyclists, but quite
a few dirt bikers and some vehicles.
All were courteous and driving slow. Give it a try, even without the trestles,
its still an amazing ride. Making plans to do the whole thing next year. Dave
July 19, 2006
Wing Kee Chan
Nakusp to
Three Fork
I took a scout troop two week ago from Nakusp to Three Fork/Sandon.
The ride from Nakusp to the end of Summit lake was great except for a small
section just before the Summit lake the trail was blocked off as Private Land
and No Trespassers. We have to go on the highway for about half a kilometer,
turn left into a road way and wondered around to come back on to the trail again
at just about the beginning of the Summit Lake. At the end of the Lake, the
trail has to cross the highway it continued for a bit but the trail is pretty
overgrown. It turned into a single track with branches and bushes to navigate
around. We did not continue at this point, instead we drove down to Rosbery
to catch the trail at “Galena trail” to take us up to Three Fork and
Sandon. This portion of the trail is busy and popular.
I did not explore the rest of the trail from Summit Lake to Rosberry, I am sure
some parts of the trail must be in better shape than the one just after Summit
Lake.
July 13, 2006
Paul, Cheryl & Al Miniato paul@miniato.net
Oliver / Osoyoos
Accommodation notes:
"Above the Orchard" B&B, Oliver (not far from the trail)
< http://www.bbexpo.com/658 >
Great place, great hosts. The hosts, Ed & Lorraine, are both cyclists themselves
and can tell you about side-trips in the Oliver area. They give preference to
tri-athletes when the triathlons are on. Of course, they can also tell you about
the local wineries. Not to mention where to get bike repairs done.
Bike repair notes:
Double O Bikes, Oliver & Osoyoos
< http://www.doubleobikes.com/ >
Got an incredible deal on some emergency repairs while in Oliver on July 9,
2006.
Regards,
Paul, Cheryl & Al
Tsawwassen, BC
July 12, 2006
Nancy
Arta B&B and Vineyard
Hi Dan and Sandra:
Our B&B is located on Sutherland about 3 minutes from the KVR –(down
and round the corner). Every year we get bikers staying with us because of our
close proximity to the KVR. We are a Canada Select 4 Star Accommodation with
magnificent view of Lake Okanagan. We would appreciate your including us in
your 4th edition of Cycling the KVR. Check out our website. Regards, Nancy
Arta B&B and Vineyard
Tourism BC Approved Accommodation-Canada Select ****
1120 Sutherland Road, Penticton, B.C.
Canada V2A 8T8
Tel/fax: (1) 250-487-1247
Email: artabb@shaw.ca
Website: www.artabb.ca
July 12, 2006
Mark Grist cdnmoose11@hotmail.com
Hope to Castlegar June 28 - July 3rd.
General comments:
Front shocks would be nice, as my hands and wrists were quite sore, especially
after the descent to Penticton.
It was a perfect time to do the trail as the flowers were in full bloom, the
days long, and the weather hot!
I'd recommend going west to east, as you get some skookum downhills and you
go down the worst sandy/soft section (Faulder-Osprey lake).
The trail is generally in better condition (less detours, more improvements
etc.) than described in the 2002 guide, as lots of work has been done. Thanks
to all those responsible.
ATV's and dirtbikes are mildly annoying, either speeding along the trail (they
were doing 70kms/hr+ by Arawana) or doing donuts (evidence all over the place).
I recommend you write the BC gov't and lobby for non-motorized designation for
the entire trail.
I'd typically be up with the birds (4:30-5am) and bike for 4-5hrs in the morning,
sit out the heat of the day and then put in a few hours in the evening (after
5-6pm). Makes doing 100km+ days feasible and quite enjoyable.
I had one slack day (dropping to Penticton), otherwise they were decent days.
Campsites/Distances were:
Hope - Otter Lk (120km), DeMuth FS Rec site (100km), Arawana (55km), Beaverdell
(135km), Grand Forks (120km), Castlegar (110km).
Specific comments:
Hope to Brookmere - Fine, I just wish more of the rail grade was travelable.
Trail next to impossible to find from km 22.2 to km 18.2, and the Coldwater
river was pretty high, even if you could find the trail. Rec site at Brodie
Siding rd (km 6.9) is really lovely.
Brookmere to Penticton - Brookmere to Princeton was probably my favourite section.
Annoying washboard from Brookmere to Spearing (cars and ATV's use this road).
Thalia to Otter lake is sublime. Past Jura the trail gets quite soft in places,
expecially around Bankeir. Lots of ATV use in this area. DeMuth FSR site (pleasant)
is at km 44.9 and not at km 52.7 (there's nothing there at all) as erroneously
reported in the 2002 guide. Trout creek bridge at km 37.7 is in great shape,
and makes for lovely travel. The Summerland Sweets factory is on the detour
(spitting distance from the KVR on Canyon View road) and should not be missed!
Ice cream, jams, honey, all sorts of goodies!
Penticton to Midway - Chute lake lodge is awesome - antiques junkies may never
leave! Myra bypass: I'm glad it's there to make the route passable, but it takes
you through 15km of steep clearcut hell. Some sections are technical and can
be very muddy after rainfall. Do not do this section during midday - you'll
roast alive! The dowhnill from Summit lake to Beaverdell is sublime, an absolute
dreamscape. The store at Westbridge burned down, nothing there. The deli in
the Rock Creek PetroCan makes the world's best Kaisers and Subs. The beef jerky
(Freybe) is first class, too. I found a lovely shady spot right by the Kettle
river at Ingram creek, 6.7km before Midway. The museum in Midway is not to be
missed. Highly recommended.
Midway to Castlegar - Great milkshakes, floats and pizza at the store 1 block
past (heading towards Grand Forks) the Copper Eagle in Greenwood (opposite side
of the road). Greenwood to Grand Forks is yet another sublime section - the
views down to the Granby valley are stunning.
The washout: It is NOT 14km past Santa Rosa Rd, as posted on the notice board
(the local authorities are clueless). It's much further, closer to Coryell.
There is a bypass trail on the high side of the washout and if you have some
off trail experience and can carry your bike on your shoulder, you'll be fine.
Some Germans I encountered said, "It's impossible to bypass - a 20 meter
cliff" but that's not true. Having said that, there is one exposed move
you have to make where a slip would be disasterous. Take care with children
and note that the hardest part may be trying to keep your bike from catching
in the bushes and branches.
The long tunnel is fine, but watch out for ATVs from Castlegar.
Great trip and highly recommended!
July 12, 2006
Paul, Cheryl & Al Miniato paul@miniato.net
Idabel, Beaverdell, Rock Creek (sort of)
Trail notes:
On July 9 and 10, we covered km 118.1 (Okanagan Falls Service Road) to about
km 54 (south of Beaverdell.) (We were then forced to return to Beaverdell due
to bike problems.) The weather was perfect for cycling, and we were very surprised
to see so few people on the trails. During that entire 78 km, we passed 2 locals
on horseback, 2 on ATVs, and one cyclist accompanied by an ATV. (Restauranteurs
in Beaverdell had told us that prior to the Myra Canyon fires